France's expulsion of Roma

Steven-North

of course, Germany isn't, Italy isn't, Slovakia isn't, naturally UK is the model of tolerance !

don't make me laugh, it's a good bargain to point France

The Country Correctly Branded 'a disgrace'

The French are notorious for their lack of respect and racist undertones throughout Europe. After all it is the country of Le Pen, giving the NF a large vote, displaying their thought processes.

What always surprises me is the inability of certain races enjoying their luxurious lifestyles to step into the shoes that have nothing.

Great collective human race we are part of, the selfishness of many is the central theme of our race.

I really hope the European Commission will carry out its threat of taking legal action against this disgraceful politician.

How despicable!
Europe has 700 million people and it does not have the heart to integrate a few million people of color. And everyone loves to push the established cliche of them stealing and arsoning 24/7.
Note, they're always referred to as 'Roma', or 'Gypsies'. It's like they were not people but another species.

the gipsys problem is an european problem ...not a ping pong game between EU member states.....in US they still have problems with the black comunity but this is an US intern problem not a problem for each member state of the US....sorry mi english ...:)we need a commun solution ...an european solution for this problem.....this is one of the new chalanges of the EU

Octaviu

instead of lecturing, you forget to notice how you tried so hard to integrate the Roms, check:

http://www.errc.org/cikk.php?cikk=3573

hmmm asier to let the others do your home work !

It is outrageous to see how some western countries do understand to solve the gypsy problem. They expel them in Romania and Bulgaria and the problem will be solved. Then, same ignorant people will accuse Romania and Bulgaria of ethnic discrimination as they did in the past. We have to note some historical facts: during the communism era due the iron curtain the gypsy community got stuck in the Eastern Europe against their nomad behavior.
Getting to our time, the sad reality is that both countries cannot solve the problem alone. Furthermore, it is not ONLY their problem. If Romania and Bulgaria will apply the same principle, the population of India will increase with some hundreds of thousands. If we put the problem in this way, I will support at least two gypsies, paying them the air tickets to India and giving them 600 euros. It is a poor judgment because the expulsion is not the solution!
It is known that the gypsies have a higher birth rate than any indigenous population due to the educational or cultural background. Romania and Bulgaria could accept to take back its citizen but many of them do not have legal documents and many kids are not registered. In the communism era, Romania experienced to integrate them with mixed results. Unfortunately, the living behavior remained the same: hygiene problem, low performance at school, frequent job changes, high desire to move from one place to another. After the fall of the communism, the situation of gypsy community got worse since they lost their jobs and got free from some state constraints (having a job, attending a secondary school, etc.). In this context, they looked for better places and started to do what they knew very well: nomad life.
Nothing will convince me that they won’t try to return after expulsion. The immediate action should be common efforts to create a special directorate for gypsies (even a commissioner job) and social programs to educate and integrate them. It won’t be easy and it will take decades and many of them won’t accept the integration. The gypsies are not illegal immigrants and cannot be associated with one or a group of countries. They are nomad with high problems of education and understanding of modern living standards. Reviewing some comments, we can understand why Europe won’t become a single voice. BTW, do you think that Romanians or Bulgarians do like to see how all their efforts are in vain, trying to integrate this community? Perhaps, some of you prefer the final solution….Idiots!

I was born in Romania, but already said what I think in my comments to "Hard Travelling".

In short, emancipating the Roma is not something that Romania can do alone. Besides, if we are to believe census figures from Romania the idea that there lives the largest Roma minority is false. Secondly, if I am a Roma person from Bulgaria in France and wish to get some money and free travel, would it not make more sense for me to get a ticket to Romania instead of Bulgaria if I plan to return anyway?

Giving Roma a "country" is not a solution or it is, at best, a dumb solution. Jews obtained a country for themselves through a massive and coordinated lobbying effort. They fought for their country and lobbied hard. Roma are in no position to do so.

A solution must succeed on two fronts: changing Roma's attitude toward educating their young and also changing the majority attitudes toward the Roma. Sadly, most Europeans remain nationalist, racist and xenophobic - much like the rest of the world, actually. The absence of a clearly stated and simple strategy makes convincing people to move on difficult.

National Immigrant Discrimination
All free nations have the territorial right to choose their own immigrants.Immigrants must conform to the standards set by nations. National leaders represent the national will of those who elected them. Great nations, like great universities, recruit the best human resources from everywhere.

Economic patriot,

may-be we could respond to your stoopid remark, when you'll achieve your education

First, please name they what they are gipsy.
Second, how do you want to integrate people that they don't want to work, that their regular work is begging and stealing. I am Romanian and I know very well this things. I have emigrated and worked in different countries, and integrated perfectly. I wanted to work and pay taxes to adopted country.
Gypsies they have a total different mentality, now with the crises average Romanian is very poor, and the only place to beg and steel is western countries. They don't want to do any effort to work. There are gypsies that are very rich, just go in Craiova, Bucharest and you will their palaces, but all from illegal activities. Romanian gypsies generally don't have any respect for hard work, society, state, and other people. Romanian people are very tolerant people and gypsies take advantage.

What's the difference between mass deportation conducted by Hitler and Stalin and these new softer mass deportations?
What is the legal basis for deportation based on the colour of the skin ?

The Roma need an state for themselves the same as the Jews. As they come from Northern India, the right place should be in that area of the World, perhaps in Cashmir ending the dispute between Pakistan and India for that region. An independent Cashmir renamed Cashmiroma, for example.

There, a renaissense of the roma language could take place as it took for hebrew (which was even less used than Roma) in Israel. That would end with racial discrimination and Roma could keep their culture and way of life, which is not accepted by a great part of Western or Eastern societies.

The main reason why Roma have not been assimilated is that women marry at early ages, and they educate their children apart from the rest of society. But, inside their own Cashmiroma country, they don´t have to fear about been assimilated by their Western or Eastern neighbors so their children will learn more. At the same time as that country will need bureaucrats, lawyers, doctors etc., the Roma will find out new very lucrative jobs.

Kaan the Magnificent

"No one is suggesting that you change. After all no one is forcing you to wear a Burka, it is you who is forcing others to abandon it. Tolerance is a virtue"

hmm, that's not what the fondamentalists are aiming at, they want their own rules as laws, such shariah laws, that means discrimmination for the girls and women. The burqa wasn't a usual outfit for our Maghrebin, it only appeared since a few decades when AQ and its fondamentalist supporters appeared in the medias, they aren't peaceful muslims, but some sectarians that use religion as a mean for grabbing more power in our society. This isn't a question of tolerance, but of preservation if we want to remain a free and liberal society.

Etnicity doesn't bother us since a few century we have absorbed immigration, the majority of our muslims feel at home by us, they don't have problem with our laic laws.

Our Tsiganes too, they are part of our society, and are more integrated than they are in the other EU countries, though we can't accept foreigners that have no will to adopt our laws, that have no particular skills except begging and or looting

"But to make laws targeting a specific ethnicity such as the Roma is at best politically incorrect, at worse a slippery slope towards fascism."

NO there is no new law for them, just the implementation of the existing ones.

Marie Claude,

No one is suggesting that you change. After all no one is forcing you to wear a Burka, it is you who is forcing others to abandon it. Tolerance is a virtue.

What is however changing is the demographics of your society, and therewith the cultural zeitgeist, but for the most part this is a result of your colonial past and your immigration policy. It isn't fair to let a law abiding person into your society and then expect them to change their culture.

Frankly I have no problem with France deporting criminals. There is no excuse cultural or otherwise, for murder, theft or any other crime. But to make laws targeting a specific ethnicity such as the Roma is at best politically incorrect, at worse a slippery slope towards fascism. Why deport only the Roma when it is well within her rights for France to deport all illegal immigrants and legal immigrants convicted of harsh crimes? Why tie Welfare benefits to sending your kids to school only for the Roma?

In an ideal society ethnicity should play no part in policy. Is justice not blind?

LKHK

I'm sorry to contradict you

In Czech Republic, look what you do to the Roms:

"In the Czech Republic, at least 7 attacks against Roma were reported, most employing Molotov cocktails, and several marches which resulted in anti-Romani violence. In one attack, a two-year old girl almost died, suffering extensive burns during a fire bombing"

"In November 2008, the Czech Workers Party (DS) organised a rally in Litvinov with 500 neo-Nazis and attempted to march on a Romani settlement before being stopped by police after violent clashes"

http://www.errc.org/cikk.php?cikk=3573

Im so sorry, cuz you , you know, Sarkozy is such a hatemonger, he didn't want that these people get slaughtered, he paid them a plane tiket and gave t'em some bribes

hmmm

Kaan the Magnificent

like what, if it is all right to ban burqa ? and or veils in schools and administration ?

if it is ol right to expel Roms that are looters ?

hmmm yes you brought your Turkish eye with your regard on how we should handle our modus vivendi, but we are European with another tradition and different laws, why should we change so that a few rebels feel like at home ?

@Marie:

You clearly did not understand what I said. We aren't discussing Turkey here. When discussing policy in Europe, one shouldn't be concerned with what the conditions are in any other country, be it Turkey, USA, Japan or North Korea, but rather with ethics and the principles of an egalitarian democracy.

I'm just stating that I find the concept of a government pushing integration only moderately less offensive than a government pushing assimilation. I agree with a few of the policies associated with integration and disagree with others and wish we could discuss them individually and without having to use silly buzzwords.

Kaan the Magnificent

that's old history, sure you were a few centuries ago, but not anymore since your radical islamist government took the office. Armenians, Greeks, genocide and or elimination ? Christians, Jews are stigmatized nowadays, some assassinations of them regularly happen

So, what a tolerant Country !

@dragos27:

"Romas are not illegally in France. Those expelled didn’t broke any law."

That is not full truth: in accordance with the French law, citizens of the EU-member states can freely come to the country, but if after three months they find no employment, they must leave France. Since Roma in question didn't even seek employment, their stay in France is illegal.

@Marie:

What difference does the situation in Turkey make? Surely you aren't suggesting Europeans should become more like Turks in their tolerance?